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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-12202</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

You&#039;re right with respect to brand/product confusion, but wordpress.com doesn&#039;t represent Trademark dilution in any legal sense, because it&#039;s still under the Matt Mullenweg umbrella.

Also, I agree that the &lt;em&gt;WordPress community&lt;/em&gt; (or at least the part of the community that is most intimately involved with the development of the project) can choose  to employ an ethical structure around free-software philosophy, and based on that ethical structure, choose to accept or shun based on acceptance of/conformance to that philosophy.

But that&#039;s not what&#039;s being done; rather, Matt is attempting to use the &lt;em&gt;force of law&lt;/em&gt;, via the GPL (which is a copyright license), to enforce use of the GPL. And therein lies the problem, because &lt;em&gt;the GPL doesn&#039;t give him the legal power that he claims it does&lt;/em&gt;.  Themes and Plugins that do not incorporate &lt;em&gt;actual core WordPress code&lt;/em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;are not WordPress-derivative works&lt;/strong&gt;, period.

As for &quot;using the law to justify being legally allowed to piss someone else off&quot;: this type of thinking is where I become incredibly anti-hippie. Nobody has a right &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; to be pissed off. Part of encouraging the advancement of free-software philosophy is accepting that &lt;em&gt;the freedoms you have given to others includes the freedom to use code in ways that you don&#039;t like&lt;/em&gt;. Releasing code under GPL and then attempting through the power of persuasion, peer-pressure, and guilt-trips to restrict the freedoms and rights within the license is the epitome and height of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right with respect to brand/product confusion, but wordpress.com doesn&#8217;t represent Trademark dilution in any legal sense, because it&#8217;s still under the Matt Mullenweg umbrella.</p>
<p>Also, I agree that the <em>WordPress community</em> (or at least the part of the community that is most intimately involved with the development of the project) can choose  to employ an ethical structure around free-software philosophy, and based on that ethical structure, choose to accept or shun based on acceptance of/conformance to that philosophy.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s being done; rather, Matt is attempting to use the <em>force of law</em>, via the GPL (which is a copyright license), to enforce use of the GPL. And therein lies the problem, because <em>the GPL doesn&#8217;t give him the legal power that he claims it does</em>.  Themes and Plugins that do not incorporate <em>actual core WordPress code</em> <strong>are not WordPress-derivative works</strong>, period.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;using the law to justify being legally allowed to piss someone else off&#8221;: this type of thinking is where I become incredibly anti-hippie. Nobody has a right <em>not</em> to be pissed off. Part of encouraging the advancement of free-software philosophy is accepting that <em>the freedoms you have given to others includes the freedom to use code in ways that you don&#8217;t like</em>. Releasing code under GPL and then attempting through the power of persuasion, peer-pressure, and guilt-trips to restrict the freedoms and rights within the license is the epitome and height of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-12201</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest dilution of trademark is Wordpress.com as can be frequently seen on sites like Techcrunch when a &quot;reporter&quot; says WordPress has a new feature, and wp.org developers have to jump in and say that wp.com is not WordPress(TM) and ask for the article to be corrected.

As for GPL, I still think the best option is &quot;not pissing in the pool&quot; and do what the majority of people who commit code to WP core believe is the license.
The majority who do contribute significant amounts of code (those that are still with the project) seem to agree with Matt or &quot;take the party line&quot; thus any other interpretation is using the law to justify being legally allowed to piss someone else off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest dilution of trademark is WordPress.com as can be frequently seen on sites like Techcrunch when a &#8220;reporter&#8221; says WordPress has a new feature, and wp.org developers have to jump in and say that wp.com is not WordPress(TM) and ask for the article to be corrected.</p>
<p>As for GPL, I still think the best option is &#8220;not pissing in the pool&#8221; and do what the majority of people who commit code to WP core believe is the license.<br />
The majority who do contribute significant amounts of code (those that are still with the project) seem to agree with Matt or &#8220;take the party line&#8221; thus any other interpretation is using the law to justify being legally allowed to piss someone else off.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-12199</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

What, exactly, are you attempting to contribute to the conversation? The bottom line is, Matt is incorrectly interpreting the GPL. Unless a Theme has &lt;em&gt;actual WordPress code&lt;/em&gt; in it (as with what was found in Thesis 1.7), mere calling of functions and hooks &lt;em&gt;does not constitute a derivative work&lt;/em&gt;. Precedent copyright case law is quite clear on this point.

I can quite easily turn your assertion back on you, and on Matt: if you don&#039;t want people extending your GPL code with non-GPL code, then don&#039;t (freaking) write extensible code.

What I really can&#039;t understand is: why is Matt wasting so much time and energy attacking Thesis (and furthering his grudge against Chris Pearson - see Cutline/Coraline and PressRow/Pilcrow), while at the same time risking the loss of the WordPress &lt;em&gt;trademark&lt;/em&gt; by failing to go after the hundreds of websites that use &quot;wordpress&quot; in their domain name, in direct violation of WPORG&#039;s (or is it, WPF&#039;s) domain-name policy.

Tell me: which poses the greater long-term risk to the health of the WordPress project, Chris Pearson or dilution and loss of the trademark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>What, exactly, are you attempting to contribute to the conversation? The bottom line is, Matt is incorrectly interpreting the GPL. Unless a Theme has <em>actual WordPress code</em> in it (as with what was found in Thesis 1.7), mere calling of functions and hooks <em>does not constitute a derivative work</em>. Precedent copyright case law is quite clear on this point.</p>
<p>I can quite easily turn your assertion back on you, and on Matt: if you don&#8217;t want people extending your GPL code with non-GPL code, then don&#8217;t (freaking) write extensible code.</p>
<p>What I really can&#8217;t understand is: why is Matt wasting so much time and energy attacking Thesis (and furthering his grudge against Chris Pearson &#8211; see Cutline/Coraline and PressRow/Pilcrow), while at the same time risking the loss of the WordPress <em>trademark</em> by failing to go after the hundreds of websites that use &#8220;wordpress&#8221; in their domain name, in direct violation of WPORG&#8217;s (or is it, WPF&#8217;s) domain-name policy.</p>
<p>Tell me: which poses the greater long-term risk to the health of the WordPress project, Chris Pearson or dilution and loss of the trademark?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cook</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-12183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, it&#039;s not the GPL that most people disagree with. It&#039;s Matt Mullenweg &amp; Automattic&#039;s interpretation of the GPL and what it applies to that people take issue with.

And really, the solution is to do whatever the hell you want with WordPress since the WordPress Foundation doesn&#039;t actually do anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, it&#8217;s not the GPL that most people disagree with. It&#8217;s Matt Mullenweg &#038; Automattic&#8217;s interpretation of the GPL and what it applies to that people take issue with.</p>
<p>And really, the solution is to do whatever the hell you want with WordPress since the WordPress Foundation doesn&#8217;t actually do anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-12182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scenario: You, &quot;John Doe&quot;, are a developer (including &quot;theme developer&quot;), and would like to use WordPress or develop themes for it, but you don&#039;t agree with the GPL license or WordPress&#039; condition of use.

Solution: Don&#039;t freaking use WordPress then! Either you accept it as it comes, or you don&#039;t. If you do, abide by it. If you don&#039;t, use some other freaking software to develop upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scenario: You, &#8220;John Doe&#8221;, are a developer (including &#8220;theme developer&#8221;), and would like to use WordPress or develop themes for it, but you don&#8217;t agree with the GPL license or WordPress&#8217; condition of use.</p>
<p>Solution: Don&#8217;t freaking use WordPress then! Either you accept it as it comes, or you don&#8217;t. If you do, abide by it. If you don&#8217;t, use some other freaking software to develop upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dossy&#039;s Blog – Trying out the Genesis theme framework</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-8621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dossy&#039;s Blog – Trying out the Genesis theme framework</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the fallout about Thesis, the premium WordPress theme that everyone loved so much, this past July and everyone&#8217;s mass exodus to the Genesis theme framework by StudioPress, I decided it was [...]</description>
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		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-7651</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter BlackBird Pie Plugin Review &#124; WPblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posting my recap of the Thesis GPL drama, I got a lot of questions about how I incorporated the various tweets I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harsh Agrawal</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-6892</link>
		<dc:creator>Harsh Agrawal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been monitoring whole #thesiswp debate. Though being a Thesis skin dev. I still believe Matt was right till a point. Though the way he reacted on twitter was far away from professionalism and least expected from him. I will rather wait to see Matt filing a lawsuit against Thesis if he things he is also right legally. :)
More over I believe this debate will hurt Wordpress brand and giving more edge to other Blogging platform like Drupal and Joomla...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been monitoring whole #thesiswp debate. Though being a Thesis skin dev. I still believe Matt was right till a point. Though the way he reacted on twitter was far away from professionalism and least expected from him. I will rather wait to see Matt filing a lawsuit against Thesis if he things he is also right legally. <img src='http://wpblogger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
More over I believe this debate will hurt WordPress brand and giving more edge to other Blogging platform like Drupal and Joomla&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Barrett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-6890</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned ThemeForest in response to DWs post about Matt being disingenous with regards congratulating Headway. Matt has not publicly stated that he has a problem with any split licensed themes. 

There may not direct benefits for vendors going GPL, but there are for the clients and the WP community. Useful php code snippets can be reused, built upon, forked etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned ThemeForest in response to DWs post about Matt being disingenous with regards congratulating Headway. Matt has not publicly stated that he has a problem with any split licensed themes. </p>
<p>There may not direct benefits for vendors going GPL, but there are for the clients and the WP community. Useful php code snippets can be reused, built upon, forked etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cook</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/thesis-war-summary.php#comment-6889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, actually if I recall correctly a member of WPtavern.com reported having his plugin rejected from the WP repository and the reason cited was that his site supported Thesis and ThemeForest.

It&#039;s obvious what Matt thinks of Thesis but there&#039;s absolutely no reason to mention ThemeForest since they are GPL compliant even by Matt&#039;s standards.

I think my interview series with several GPL theme dev&#039;s illustrated that there really is very little benefit to complying to Matt&#039;s standard, other than avoiding attacks from Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, actually if I recall correctly a member of WPtavern.com reported having his plugin rejected from the WP repository and the reason cited was that his site supported Thesis and ThemeForest.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious what Matt thinks of Thesis but there&#8217;s absolutely no reason to mention ThemeForest since they are GPL compliant even by Matt&#8217;s standards.</p>
<p>I think my interview series with several GPL theme dev&#8217;s illustrated that there really is very little benefit to complying to Matt&#8217;s standard, other than avoiding attacks from Matt.</p>
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