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	<title>Comments on: GPL In Practice: Carl Hancock of Gravity Forms Speaks Out</title>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-39079</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys!

Interesting discussion. Just a couple points of clarification on WLM (I&#039;m one of the developers at WishList Products):

1. WishList Member is not developed by a single person. We have 14 full-time employees, the majority of which are developers and support staff. We also have a few part-time employees to add to that.

2. WishList Member is technically obfuscated, not encrypted. It&#039;s probably more just semantic difference, but obfuscation means it can be reversed (as Carl pointed out).

3. WishList Member is not released under the GPL. As mentioned, while technically okay, it would be a bit silly for us to release it as GPL, but encrypt it.

As for releasing GPL vs not releasing GPL, we&#039;ll see how this whole discussion plays out and adapt accordingly.

Speaking for myself and not the company, I personally agree with Carl that a business or developer needs to look at their own situation and make the best decision for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys!</p>
<p>Interesting discussion. Just a couple points of clarification on WLM (I&#8217;m one of the developers at WishList Products):</p>
<p>1. WishList Member is not developed by a single person. We have 14 full-time employees, the majority of which are developers and support staff. We also have a few part-time employees to add to that.</p>
<p>2. WishList Member is technically obfuscated, not encrypted. It&#8217;s probably more just semantic difference, but obfuscation means it can be reversed (as Carl pointed out).</p>
<p>3. WishList Member is not released under the GPL. As mentioned, while technically okay, it would be a bit silly for us to release it as GPL, but encrypt it.</p>
<p>As for releasing GPL vs not releasing GPL, we&#8217;ll see how this whole discussion plays out and adapt accordingly.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself and not the company, I personally agree with Carl that a business or developer needs to look at their own situation and make the best decision for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Jamieson</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-6841</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Jamieson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a plugin developer I concur with Carl that the pragmatic approach is develop GPL compliant plugins and offer pro/premium versions that offer support, upgrades and enhanced features.  

With regard to the potential dual licensing of Wordpress themes (PHP under GPL and CSS/images under non GPL) and Thesis in particular, Chris Pearson is between a rock and a hard place since his customers buy Thesis not for the CSS and images but for ease of customization in adding their own CSS and images (and PHP customizations). 

If GPL is enforceable at all, Chris is likely to lose. It will be down to higher level principles, not the specifics of Wordpress and Thesis.  I guess that Chris simply does like the idea of the GPL as he sees it as &#039;inorganic&#039; in his organic business, and believes that,  in the land of the free, Wordpress should not be able to impose their view on how he should sell his own software.  We may have a GPL test case on our hands in the coming months as the rhetoric on both sides shows no mood for compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a plugin developer I concur with Carl that the pragmatic approach is develop GPL compliant plugins and offer pro/premium versions that offer support, upgrades and enhanced features.  </p>
<p>With regard to the potential dual licensing of WordPress themes (PHP under GPL and CSS/images under non GPL) and Thesis in particular, Chris Pearson is between a rock and a hard place since his customers buy Thesis not for the CSS and images but for ease of customization in adding their own CSS and images (and PHP customizations). </p>
<p>If GPL is enforceable at all, Chris is likely to lose. It will be down to higher level principles, not the specifics of WordPress and Thesis.  I guess that Chris simply does like the idea of the GPL as he sees it as &#8216;inorganic&#8217; in his organic business, and believes that,  in the land of the free, WordPress should not be able to impose their view on how he should sell his own software.  We may have a GPL test case on our hands in the coming months as the rhetoric on both sides shows no mood for compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kuhlmann &#187; Archive &#187; Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-03-07</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kuhlmann &#187; Archive &#187; Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-03-07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the GPL debate continues&#8230; http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the GPL debate continues&#8230; <a href="http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php" rel="nofollow">http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Nurbo</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Nurbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jason Brian Gardner has on numerous occasions said that Matt didn&#039;t have anything to do with them going GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jason Brian Gardner has on numerous occasions said that Matt didn&#8217;t have anything to do with them going GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2723</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: how is agreeing with you construed or inferred to be misunderstanding your statement? I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;agreeing&lt;/em&gt; with you that encrypting GPLed code is foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: how is agreeing with you construed or inferred to be misunderstanding your statement? I&#8217;m <em>agreeing</em> with you that encrypting GPLed code is foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fannenstiel</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2691</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fannenstiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, using encryption on a GPL licensed plugin would be stupid as I implied.  What do you not understand about that statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, using encryption on a GPL licensed plugin would be stupid as I implied.  What do you not understand about that statement?</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2677</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: yes, reading their &lt;a href=&quot;http://member.wishlistproducts.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;licensing information&lt;/a&gt;, it is clear that Wish List is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; GPL.

However, I was merely questioning the assertion that such a plugin is inherently &lt;em&gt;incompatible&lt;/em&gt; with the GPL. I contend that it isn&#039;t - and, like you said, using encryption on such a GPL plugin would be foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: yes, reading their <a href="http://member.wishlistproducts.com/" rel="nofollow">licensing information</a>, it is clear that Wish List is <em>not</em> GPL.</p>
<p>However, I was merely questioning the assertion that such a plugin is inherently <em>incompatible</em> with the GPL. I contend that it isn&#8217;t &#8211; and, like you said, using encryption on such a GPL plugin would be foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fannenstiel</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fannenstiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip, WishList probably isn&#039;t released under the GPL; hence the encryption efforts (why do it; it makes no sense otherwise).  Therefore a non-GPL licensed WishList plugin is encrypted to deter free redistribution of the code, to convey to the user that it is not GPL (because it would be stupid to encrypt something that is), and to serve as evidence that the user violated the developer’s non-GPL license break the encryption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip, WishList probably isn&#8217;t released under the GPL; hence the encryption efforts (why do it; it makes no sense otherwise).  Therefore a non-GPL licensed WishList plugin is encrypted to deter free redistribution of the code, to convey to the user that it is not GPL (because it would be stupid to encrypt something that is), and to serve as evidence that the user violated the developer’s non-GPL license break the encryption.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2671</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl: that&#039;s what I thought.

@Jason: if the developer of Wish List claims that the plugin is released under GPL, then he violates his own license by not releasing the source code. Of course, as the copyright holder, he&#039;s within his rights to do so - but in so doing, he&#039;s not actually releasing GPL-compliant code.

Also:

1) Releasing code under GPL explicitly expresses the developer&#039;s intent to allow users to use, modify, and redistribute his code - regardless of any implied intent of encryption.

2) The GPL is explicit that the user is completely unrestricted in his use of any code licensed under it. Thus, the user has every right, as granted by the GPL, to decrypt/unencode code released under GPL. Thus, breaking the encryption of GPL-released code is no evidence whatsoever that the user violated the license - in fact, quite the opposite. Any attempt by the developer to restrict the use of his code contradict the GPL under which he has released it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl: that&#8217;s what I thought.</p>
<p>@Jason: if the developer of Wish List claims that the plugin is released under GPL, then he violates his own license by not releasing the source code. Of course, as the copyright holder, he&#8217;s within his rights to do so &#8211; but in so doing, he&#8217;s not actually releasing GPL-compliant code.</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>1) Releasing code under GPL explicitly expresses the developer&#8217;s intent to allow users to use, modify, and redistribute his code &#8211; regardless of any implied intent of encryption.</p>
<p>2) The GPL is explicit that the user is completely unrestricted in his use of any code licensed under it. Thus, the user has every right, as granted by the GPL, to decrypt/unencode code released under GPL. Thus, breaking the encryption of GPL-released code is no evidence whatsoever that the user violated the license &#8211; in fact, quite the opposite. Any attempt by the developer to restrict the use of his code contradict the GPL under which he has released it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fannenstiel</title>
		<link>http://wpblogger.com/carl-hancock-gpl-interview.php#comment-2670</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Fannenstiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something else for premium theme/plugin developers to consider. Matt Mullenweg was able to convince Brian Gardner and other first-mover premium theme developers to adopt the GPL partly by tempting them with more exposure via the commercial theme directory hosted at WordPress.org.  Those first movers received tons of traffic, and presumably more sales, being on board because there were so few premium theme developers that offered GPL compliant themes at that time.  Now, however, there  are nearly 50  makers/themes listed in the premium themes directory on WordPress.org and the traffic boost it once provided is waning due to all the competition.  Perhaps more importantly, example traffic stats for some larger theme development companies listed in the commercial themes directory at WordPress.org indicates that being included in that directory isn&#039;t a major source of referral traffic (http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ithemes.com+studiopress.com+woothemes.com).  Hence, what is the major incentive now for premium theme developers to become GPL-compliant if getting listed on WordPress.org no longer results in a boost in traffic/sales?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something else for premium theme/plugin developers to consider. Matt Mullenweg was able to convince Brian Gardner and other first-mover premium theme developers to adopt the GPL partly by tempting them with more exposure via the commercial theme directory hosted at WordPress.org.  Those first movers received tons of traffic, and presumably more sales, being on board because there were so few premium theme developers that offered GPL compliant themes at that time.  Now, however, there  are nearly 50  makers/themes listed in the premium themes directory on WordPress.org and the traffic boost it once provided is waning due to all the competition.  Perhaps more importantly, example traffic stats for some larger theme development companies listed in the commercial themes directory at WordPress.org indicates that being included in that directory isn&#8217;t a major source of referral traffic (<a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ithemes.com+studiopress.com+woothemes.com" rel="nofollow">http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ithemes.com+studiopress.com+woothemes.com</a>).  Hence, what is the major incentive now for premium theme developers to become GPL-compliant if getting listed on WordPress.org no longer results in a boost in traffic/sales?</p>
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